User talk:Proxima Centauri

Looks good to me. Chadlupkes 16:09, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

WikiIndex
Hello. I'm BobaCartman. You are a User of WikiIndex and I want with the KUW make a German Version. Did you know, that we allowed to? Gruß, BobaCartman 12:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied here. Proxima Centauri 00:56, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Hello and welcome to WikiIndex! Great to have you here! Best, MarkDilley

Category:ReadOnly
Do you agree with me that none of the sites in that category are really wikis? --Elassint, 07 2 2008 talk

I'm not sure. People may want to know about them. It seems they're more like ordinary web sites where ordinary folk can't edit. Proxima Centauri 10:25, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * But this site is about WIKIS, not ordinary web sites where ordinary folk can't edit! Elassint, 07 5 2008 talk

I edited your work
Just wanted to know I edited this. And what does it mean CyberArmy? - Best, MarkDilley
 * I don't know the Wiki. I'm editing all the Wikis classed as read only because they are discussing deleting them.  If you know the wiki and know that it's editable please remove it from the read only category. Proxima Centauri 05:07, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

vandal?
or someone with much different opinion from ours? Is there a way to collaborate with them? Maybe give them their language in description section, but keep critique section and maybe let the questions in the critique stand stronger than the other things? Best, MarkDilley


 * Are you talking about Deborah?  Because I don't think any accommodation is possible, barring a "he said/she said" section.  CPers do not live in the same reality as everyone else, and they KNOW we're WRONG. --Gulik 16:59, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Category:Pseudoscience
Good idea for a category. There are a good proportion of the wikis in Category: Science that could be shifted to Category:Pseudoscience. -- Carl McBride (talk) 07:01, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sssssss... Get out of bed! --Snuffleupagus 12:33, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * My computer's broken down. I'm limited to times I can get to public computers for at the moment.  I hope I'll get mine repaired by early next week. Proxima Centauri 10:52, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

computer
Is it repaired yet? --Snuffleupagus 16:01, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I've bought a second hand back up computer. Proxima Centauri 06:47, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Let's chat
contact me at http://MarkDilley.info

Nice to meet you

 * Hello Proxima, thanks for the note, nice to meet you, I hope I can be helpful, but my efforts are usually episodic at best. --jeffmcneill 11:38, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

You have just been made an admin on this wiki Elassint, 11 3 2008 talk
 * Thanks! I didn't expect that. Proxima Centauri 14:54, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Sysop
Hello, I made you a sysop because, through your efforts here, you care about this wiki. Work here is open - much of it is a reference (like Wikis to Add - not exactly what I had envisioned - but cool none the less :-) I hope to highlight some cool things that are happening within wiki communities here - give it some warmth. But really - you can build it in a direction you want. One thing I think is lacking is welcoming. Several years ago, many of us got together at WikiSym in Denmark and we set up WikiOhana - one of the first things we thought needed to happen in wikis - was to welcome people. What also needed to happen was to welcome wikis to the WikiOhana. Look forward to more. Best, MarkDilley

Re: Welcome
Thanks for the welcome. I'm already used to fighting on several wikis, so that doesn't actually bother me. Also, if an edit war occurs and everyone keeps reverting and stuff, protection may be recommended. --Michaeldsuarez 11:40, 19 November 2008 (EST)
 * I know. Before I became a sysop I promised that I wouldn't use sysop buttons over the Conservapedia / RationalWiki issue. I'm stuck. I can't easily do anything. I think we're all used to fighting on other wikis. Proxima Centauri 16:36, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Sorry for my tardiness
I want to talk about what I see as beneficial about wikis, in terms of a constructive point of view. First, I want to be part of a community that has no Edit War. While we work in a wiki, editing is given - so if there is something said, we can change it, but if it is said again, we must work to figure out why the other person is saying it. I do not think that this is a pollyanna view - because I do believe that giving a good faith effort has a limit. I will go to the pages to see if I can figure out what is going on. Thank you for your efforts here. Best, MarkDilley

Introduction
Hi, I'm ForestForTrees. I'm way too busy right now seeding The TMS Wiki to do much editing here, but thought it would be good to introduce myself. ForestForTrees 12:13, 19 January 2009 (EST)

ComplaintWiki
Perhaps your complaints on Category:Wikia would be more appropriate on the ComplaintWiki article, since the ComplaintWiki is an anti-Wikia wiki. In addition, I'm not sure if Wikia is going to view the article on themselves, so maybe you would be better off complaining to Wikia on a Wikia Forum if you want change, although they may have already seen your concerns on Uncyclopedia. --Michaeldsuarez 09:18, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * Thanks for telling me, but I'm not responsible for the site. --Michaeldsuarez 17:55, 1 February 2009 (EST)

username/password
Hello Proxima Centauri, I have a problem. WikiIndex doesn't recognise my password. I always use the same one on wikis, so i'm sure i didn't type it wrong. My username is D. G.Neree. is there a way to solve this? 80.101.117.19 08:18, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I don't know what to do but I've contacted several other administrators. Proxima Centauri 09:46, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Thanks Proxima, I've posted my reply to User talk:D. G. Neree --EarthFurst 23:04, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Jazzman vs. HelpJazz
Judging from this edit, I say that HelpJazz and Jazzman831 are two separate individuals (at least on RationalWiki). --Michaeldsuarez 15:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * See this, Jazzman831 has been banned from Conservapedia since 2007. Really, I doubt that HelpJazz and Jazzman are the same person. --Michaeldsuarez 16:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Reconsidered -- they may be the same person on Conservapedia, but they are two separate individuals on RationalWiki. I don't edit either of those wikis, so I really don't know much about them. Checking his edits, both HelpJazz and Jazzman has appeared to only be at Conservapedia in order to disrupt it. --Michaeldsuarez 16:26, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * There is at least one troll. Proxima Centauri 03:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Bureaucrats
I removed your name from Category:Wikia since everyone (including myself) appear to have this ability. Wikia is probably preparing for MediaWiki 14.0. According to this, the new software is now available in its stable form. --Michaeldsuarez 15:01, 23 February 2009 (EST)

Re: slow Wikia
Which skin do you use? If you're using Monaco, then it's not Wikia that's slowing you down; it's the Monaco skin that's slowing you down. Monaco has too many elements and graphics that need extra loading time. Try switching to Monobook; less thing load and such. I'm using the computer at one of my university's library, and it's not slow. --Michaeldsuarez 12:28, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Addition of a wikiFactor?
Dear Proxima Centauri, I have just started the page Proposal:wikiFactor, and it would be wonderful if you would take a look. All the best --Carl McBride (talk) 05:55, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Main namespace
Hello, just wanted to let you know that people in the main namespace is the practice here - see my note here - let me know your thoughts on this. Best, MarkDilley
 * If that's the way you do things here that's OK with me. Proxima Centauri 17:25, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

New problem
Hi, I think that you have to say something about w:Forum:Changes to the Create Wiki process on Category:Wikia. --Michaeldsuarez 22:23, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Spam
Category:SpamFighting

Dear Proxima Centauri, Thank you for fighting spam. I am mystified at something I see in the Recent changes:


 * 8 June 2009
 * * (Block log); 11:16 . . Proxima Centauri (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked "User:" with an expiry time of 6 months: Spamming links to external sites)

As far as I can tell from Special:Contributions/, this user has edited 2 pages, and I don't see any "links to external sites" in those edits. While I am in favor of blocking people "Spamming links to external sites", I fail to see how blocking people who don't do that accomplishes that goal. Therefore I unblocked this user. Please tell me if I am making a horrible mistake :-). --DavidCary 08:49, 8 June 2009 (EDT)


 * I've responded to your message on my user talk page. --DavidCary 05:48, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

suggestion
What about this? --Wolf | talk 16:09, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
 * Please, have a look ! --Wolf | talk 06:40, 29 June 2009 (EDT).

Really?
So is the solution to revert every edit you don't like and lock the article? Too bad there's no active bureaucrat around...
 * The bureaucrats here know that I work hard defending the site. Proxima Centauri 09:51, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
 * I see. And why does the RationalWiki article need "defending", especially after another sysop has already agreed to unlock it and remove the cyberbullying section? Or do you define vandalism as conservapedia does - anything that disagrees with you?
 * Sadly, PC, you act in the way your "enemies" do when you have "power". Please reflect on this. Huw Powell 02:00, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Not Chris Chan
This is very obviously a troll. The delusions of grandeur displayed there are beyond even him. Don't be fooled. 86.46.210.2 19:51, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

Liberapedia
"I was involved in the anti-spam war in sring '08 and I know what hapened."

* facepalm*

Perhaps you know what happened, but you still can't spell and your writing is still horrible.

block length
Dear Proxima Centauri, thank you for fighting spam and otherwise doing so much to make this WikiIndex a better place. I suspect you have more experience with blocking users than I do -- would you mind sharing your knowledge at Blocking Policy? --DavidCary 08:30, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Re: Thank you
You're welcome. --Michaeldsuarez 12:03, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Chess
Thanks for the addition to Chess Wiki. I decommercialized it a little more and added a bit of clarification from a quick look at the WP article. Then (after several overdue improvements there) I came here and improved the entry here. One thing leads to another! Robin Patterson 05:31, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

WikiSynergy
Hi, noticed the WikiSynergy page. Funny! How did you find us? You seem to know RationalWiki and have done some research on recent edits (he may or may not have been trolling, and was otherwise a bit useful). Purple Scissor 03:18, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

Why did you think this? It is not true, but I am very interested to know why you thought it. I once tried to get a username on Conservapedia, and I won't go near the place again, though they are welcome to bring their controversies to WikiSynergy. Purple Scissor 03:32, 25 July 2009 (EDT)


 * A Storehouse of Knowledge was started by disatisfied Conservapedians so I thought the same aplied to WikiSynergy, also RationalWiki had dscovered WikiSynergy and they study Conservapedia diligently so I thought they had found WikiSynergy through their Conservapedia contacts. I changed this the second time I edited the entry. Proxima Centauri 11:10, 25 July 2009 (EDT)


 * I see. Actually, it is more accurate to say that it was started originally as a reaction to radical skepticism takeover of Wikipedia articles.  RationalWiki came across us at the SCEPCOP forum. Thanks for putting the page up (: Purple Scissor 16:55, 25 July 2009 (EDT)


 * Check this out, see what you think we ought to do. Purple Scissor 02:25, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

confusing
Yes there is user "Jonah Musto" on English Wikipedia. See Jonah Musto's block list.

Dear Proxima Centauri, I find this edit a bit confusing. Is that person -- who logs in as User:Jonah Musto here -- claiming that the Wikipedia "Jonah Musto" is not the same person?

I see that the person who logs in as User:Jonah Musto here also claims that IP editor Special:Contributions/68.81.95.145 is not the same person. Therefore, I blocked 68.81.95.145 for a while. I'm not sure what else I should do about that. --DavidCary 17:34, 29 July 2009 (EDT)


 * User:Jonah Musto wrote an entry about Bugdom Wiki and when I checked in Google I found no evidence that the wiki exists therefore I assumed that this entry was vandalism. Today Google has a link to a Bugdom Wiki therefore before I checked his more recent edits there was no clear evidence against Jonah Musto. Proxima Centauri 02:16, 30 July 2009 (EDT)


 * User:Jonah Musto requested that this user be unblocked which he would not have done if someone else were harassing him. He created an entry for "Credit Card" which is not the purpose of this wiki so I deleted it. He asked people to send him money on his userpage which I also deleted. I've blocked him for a week though he probably needs longer to grow up. Proxima Centauri 08:59, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

Welcome
I've created which is adapted from Liberapedia Is it OK for this Wiki? Proxima Centauri 09:20, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

Ceiling fans
How many ceiling fans do you have in your house? Why did you remove the yes vote for me as admin? Reply on my talk page. Jonah Musto 09:55, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

User:Jonah Musto
Dear Proxima Centauri, I seem to be having problems with the user User:Jonah Musto. Repeated vandalism of the Main Page, as well as insertion of warning templates on my talk page. All the best --Carl McBride (talk) 10:50, 19 August 2009 (EDT) (PS I have also copied this message on the talk page of Wolf).
 * I also suggest the deletion of the image Image:2008Jul-ceiling-fan.jpg as it appears to be copyrighted material (taken from the page http://ramblings-from-early-retirement.blogspot.com/ --Carl McBride (talk) 11:11, 19 August 2009 (EDT)


 * Dear Proxima Centauri, I am confused. Carl McBride seems to be accusing Jonah Musto of making bad edits to User talk:Spud Gun.  However, when I look at http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Spud_Gun&action=history, I don't see any edits by Jonah Musto. (And one edit by MarvelZuvembie didn't sound at all like MarvelZuvembie to me).  What am I missing? --DavidCary 00:43, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
 * I deleted the talkpage of Carl McBride and restored only reasonable edits because I didn't think he'd want that stuff on his talk page or in his talk page history. I tried to delete an edit by Snuffeluppergus who was also a troll, perhaps the computer didn't delete that properly and attributed it to the wrong user. I'll delete and restore again. Proxima Centauri 06:36, 20 August 2009 (EDT)


 * Ah, so that's what I've been missing. Such deletion of page history is something I used to do a lot.  Until I read 'Burning the Evidence' (one archive).  That made me swing in the opposite direction, towards almost never deleting page history.  Perhaps you can help me find a good balance between the two. --DavidCary 23:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

RationalWiki is down at the moment so I can't follow the link but I know from memory their opinions on Conservapedia. RationaiWiki was/is (Despite problems I had I hope this informative wiki returns.) strongly critical of attempts by Conservapedia to censor criticism of Conservatives, of Conservapedia, or of their administrators by deleteing uncomfortable material. Further Rationalwikians like gloating (irresponsibly?) over Conservapedia's probems and mind if the evidence is removed. I don't see a problem about deleting mindless personal abuse in a wiki. Proxima Centauri 03:42, 21 August 2009 (EDT)


 * The "Archive.org" link seems to be working now.


 * All wiki have (ahem) "contributors" who type in stuff we don't want. What I'm hearing you say is that when Conservapedia removes all evidence that unwanted stuff ever existed, it's censorship, and therefore bad.  What I'm hearing you say is that when you remove all evidence that unwanted stuff ever existed, it's deleting mindless personal abuse, and therefore good.


 * I agree that "censoring criticism" and "deleting mindless personal abuse" are two different things. I agree that we don't need mindless abuse.  If you delete abuse by editing the page normally, leaving the unwanted stuff in the history, then everyone can see what is happening.  Some people call this "open process" (Meatball: "open process").  If you delete abuse by removing it from the history, then it is impossible for most people to tell whether you are deleting abuse or censoring criticism.


 * The problem I'm seeing is kind of subtle. I didn't see it either, at first.  Let me try to be clear about the problem.
 * My goal for WikiIndex is for WikiIndex to list all public wiki.
 * There are far too many public wiki starting up every year for me to add them all to WikiIndex. So to accomplish that goal, other helpful people need to be adding them to WikiIndex.
 * Any roadblock that stops such helpful people from adding wiki to the WikiIndex, prevents me from accomplishing my goal. Therefore, such roadblocks must be removed.
 * Sometimes people make edits (such as edits to their user page) that technically don't add to the list of wiki at WikiIndex, but at least they don't make the list of wiki at WikiIndex any worse. (Let me call these "side actions" -- is there a better name? -- because they are not moving us forward towards our goal, but they are not pulling us away from our goal, either).
 * Many people instinctively feel that such side actions are "wasting time", and somehow these people need to be re-directed into using 100% of their time into positive, productive, forward-moving actions.
 * Such instinctive actions are counter-productive.
 * People do more (net) work if they are allowed to spend a little time on side actions. People who are banned from doing any side actions often quit and never return. See jwz: "easter eggs".
 * Innocent third parties, when they see that other people are banned for what they see as harmless side actions, often take up offense, complain about it, and stop making any forward progress. (Again, jwz: "easter eggs").
 * When you "burn" someone's horrific actions from the history, newcomers can't see those actions.
 * When newcomers hear a sysop say someone made really bad edits and therefore needed to be blocked, sometimes they are curious as to what exactly that someone did.
 * Such people often use "User contributions" to see what that person actually did, rather than rely on what someone who wants that person blocked claims that person allegedly did.
 * When the "User contributions" for some (blocked) person shows only harmless actions, then newcomers get the (incorrect, in this case) impression that sysops are abusing their power and blocking people for what they see as harmless actions.
 * Such newcomers often often take up offense, complain about it, and stop making any forward progress.
 * Your actions have stopped such helpful people from adding wiki to the WikiIndex.
 * Such roadblocks must be removed.
 * --DavidCary 12:27, 5 September 2009 (EDT)


 * I applaud you. Phantom Hoover 13:50, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I haven't looked at the evidence but from what little I know of DavidCary, he seems to be a sensible person. But as I have said before, it doesn't seem that editors and sysops have any instructions to go by. Two sysops didn't really know what to expect of the owners until there was a conflict. One of them says they are retiring now, and now it seems you may loose another. This may have been prevented if they had some instructions from the beginning. Blocks that are now apparently deemed illegitimate, may have been prevented, if there were rules. Actually I'm not sure when DavidCary's the block policy proposal came out in relation to this, but that is a great idea. I would suggest moving it right to the policy page. Even a half-baked policy is better than no policy. Lumenos 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)


 * I don't know how many people are lined up to take over the grueling work of fixing vandalism and whatnot. I don't know how much work it is, but either way why don't we make some instructions and see if whoever will follow them? That is why I made a policy development page. (If it seems I have been using it for my benefit or fun, I apologize.) It doesn't matter to me where or how you do it, I could move "my" policy page to my wiki, and you could start over with your own, but that seems clearly to be part of the solution. Lumenos 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)


 * If the ability to oversight could be removed, I would recommend that in Proxima's case, for the time being, especially if the other sysops can't even see what is going on. But I don't know if she wants the job anymore, anyway. Lumenos 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)


 * Actually many of DavidCary's ideas above, may as well be adapted as a guideline for sysops. Lumenos 17:04, 5 September 2009 (EDT)

Unblock IP address (68.81.95.145), see user talk:68.81.95.145
Unblock IP address (68.81.95.145). Visit user talk:68.81.95.145 and see the request I posted because he/she doesn't deserve to be blocked. All he/she did was removing vacation notice when he/she was back from vacation, and I can see that the owner of User:Jonah Musto is the same person who owns the ip address of 68.81.95.145 because I saw that user Jonah Musto requested unblock on user talk:68.81.95.145.

The user looks like a sockpuppet of Jonah Musto who pretended to harass himself. Proxima Centauri 06:50, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Power
Please, stop abusing your power in such a Schlaflyesque fashion. How cliché that, having started out as attempting to parody it, you have slipped further and further towards Conservapediaism. go on, block me here; I won't really care. The more you do this, the more you make people realise how childish you are. Phantom Hoover 15:13, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


 * Unblock me now, while I ask nicely. I have explained why I removed the content. You blocked me without even giving me a chance to discuss. Removing content in itself is NOT a blockable offense.

Removing content is a blockable offense. Proxima Centauri 15:41, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Even when that content is FLIPPING WRONG? Phantom Hoover 15:49, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

Liberapedia is a place where RationalWikians can hang out during the crisis, further Liberapedia has articles critical of Conservapedia and that information should not have been removed. Proxima Centauri 15:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


 * You have a conflict of interest. You are spamming your wiki. However, most people are hanging out at Bob's place, not yours. Wonder why? 65.60.53.250 15:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

Bob's place is also mentioned as a place where RationalWikians hang out. Proxima Centauri 15:58, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Where all of them hang out. It's the only one where we've been fully welcomed and stayed at. Phantom Hoover 15:59, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
 * (ec)As was Liberapedia. 65.60.53.250 16:00, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, but no-one went there, except Josh. Phantom Hoover 16:02, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

To quote PC: "It can be a shock when a user doesn’t know that he/she is committing a blockable offense and suddenly is looking at a ban window." Just thought I'd clarify things. Huw Powell 00:53, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

From Nx
"Please inform miss Centauri that I have sent Mr. Stanton and Mr. Ernst emails regarding this situation. Also inform her that if I'm not unblocked by tomorrow morning 8:00 CET, RationalWiki will be down forever for her, and she will be more than welcome to read about Conservapedia or improve articles at Liberapedia meanwhile. Nx 20:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)" Phantom Hoover 16:25, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

Will RationalWiki be down for ever for everyone? Proxima Centauri 16:32, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

See Why is RationalWiki down?. Proxima Centauri 04:53, 24 August 2009 (EDT)


 * If you had bothered to read my edits instead of just mindlessly reverting, you'd know. 67.159.45.53 16:35, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


 * It's also funny how the current version of the article states how long it will be down, then in the next sentence it says we don't know how long. 67.159.45.53 16:38, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


 * And I guess under you policy of removing content being a blockable offense, no-one could remove that. Genius! 67.159.45.53 16:40, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


 * The article also says that RationalWiki is offline since Aug 20 and Aug 22, neither of which is true. Lol. Congratulations. 67.159.45.53 16:42, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
 * PC, do you specialize in 1. being wrong, 2. making lame guesses, and 3. being a totalitarian in your spare time? Your actions at RationalWiki are TKesque at best.  Locking articles to say what you want to say, no matter how wrong they are?  Whatever universe or worldview that comes from, I don't think it is "scientific".  PS, the RW blog has been updated, we now have a projection of when the site will be live again. Huw Powell 00:06, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Please unblock me
And I will help you against this vandal. I don't benefit from him either. Phantom Hoover 05:41, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Look, please, unblock me. These Captchas are a huge brake on my ability to revert him. 92.233.174.117 05:53, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Fine. You're on your own. 92.233.174.117 05:59, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

This is not the solution
Admit that you were wrong, undo your actions, and I will stop and clean up.
 * Well?

IRC?
Hey, you up for chatting in IRC to help get me up to speed? Best, MarkDilley

Several users or several sockpuppets of the same user first insisted on getting the RationalWiki article their way if they could, then when I protected that article they started general vandalism. I hope I've cleared it all up. As far as I know they're all blocked but the user or users are experts at ban evasion and range blocks may be needed if it restarts. Proxima Centauri 06:19, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
 * We tried to improve the article, correct factual errors, improve your terrible writing, but most importantly, remove the blatant advertisement of Liberapedia.

I am still interested in IRC. Is that something you can do? Best, MarkDilley

What is IRC? Proxima Centauri 06:40, 24 August 2009 (EDT)


 * From the Community Portal - Join us in realtime - irc.freenode.net, #WikiIndex (irc://irc.freenode.net/wikiindex) MarkDilley ( here is web base if you don't have a client)
 * going back to sleep - maybe chat you later in IRC.   MarkDilley

RationalWiki article
Sorry to butt in, but there's no reason for that article to be protected. Also, the promotion of Liberapedia and PsyGremlin's blog don't belong in an article like that. SuperJosh 11:30, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

I feel there's every reason why agressive vandalism and trolling shouldn't succeed and I feel that's now more important than the RationalWiki article. If that sort of thing succeeds once there may be more of it. Proxima Centauri 12:40, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
 * The vandalism was to get a senior admin to notice, and the trolling took place only in your mind. You could have at least turned up to the IRC meeting. Phantom Hoover 13:18, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

I can't get my computer to the IRC. Proxima Centauri 13:49, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
 * If you are using firefox try installing and configuring chatzilla.--Bob M 14:03, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Maybe we can work through skype? Do you have an account there? Best, MarkDilley

No I hanen't got an account and I need to go out part of the day tomorrow to get a prescription. I was stuck in front of a computer this morning so I had to go to my doctor this afternoon and the chemist hadn't got the medicine I need. Also I need to try and get some life away from a computer. Proxima Centauri 16:22, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi, I unblocked Nx and Phantom Hoover citing this reason: 'For honoring the cool down period - while I try to figure this out, I appreciate it  - I still don't want things to heat up, I am listening and will try to work with folks that are trying to work through this. MarkDilley' I look forward to still working on this and appreciate this situation. Please let me know privately or publicly what you think about it. Best, MarkDilley markwdilley@gmail.com

Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page
I'm not sure why I got zapped, but thanks for fixing it. David Shepheard 15:59, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
 * You got zapped because Proxima was abusing her power, and Nx needed to get someone to pay attention. Phantom Hoover 16:15, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, that is a bit daft. Zapping me is an act of bad faith. And as I've got no sysop powers, there is nothing I could do to change Proxima Centauri's behavior. The only thing that vandalising my page is going to make me think to do is ask the admins to block someone's IP (or follow them around reverting their vandalism). It is a counter-productive behavior. It is going to make people think that Nx is a trouble maker.
 * Surely Nx (whoever they are) should apply for some sort of medation process instead. David Shepheard 16:59, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Quoting or paraphrasing you, in WikiIndex policy proposals
Because you are an active sysop here, I plan to quote some of your statements in the policy proposal pages, for example, here. The purpose of this is to give editors an idea of what they can expect from the administration here, and to see if we cannot reach consensus on policy. These quotes would have source links next to them, and I will sign them to show that I am doing the quoting. I intend to not quote anything mentioning a specific conflict. But if your statements regarding a specific conflict seem relevant to the subject, I may paraphrase it (to the best of my ability) in a generalized format, to avoid offending those involved in the conflict (and thus re-opening the debate on the policy page). I will additionally link to the source, of the paraphrase, as this is very necessarily to establish or dismiss the legitimacy of a paraphrase. Lumenos 04:28, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm suggesting we test out a policy of neutrality with regard to edits done on policy pages. Therefore, I propose we relocate or paraphrase any comments made there, in keeping with this policy. (So others will not be allowed to insert things you may find offensive.) Lumenos 04:28, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

This may only lead to more conflict, but it is only meant as an experiment and, if it doesn't work, we may instead, have to forbid "commenting" on the policy page entirely. Lumenos 04:28, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Now that I have explained my intentions, please let me know if you object to being quoted directly or paraphrased, in that manner, for that purpose. Lumenos 04:28, 3 September 2009 (EDT)


 * I can't easily object as I believe in following the scientific method. Please remember that I'm a human being subject to human error and I sometimes revise my ideas later. Proxima Centauri
 * I'll keep that in mind. You have already weighed in on one of the most important subjects. (The issue of allowing criticism.) I could ask you if I find anything I want to quote, but I don't really want to bother you especially when I don't know if anything will come of this. DavidCary had some questions/(suggestions) lately. Lumenos 16:06, 3 September 2009 (EDT)


 * I'm very much less active than I was as I'm disappointed that the site owner gave me so little support against trolls. Proxima Centauri 08:57, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I can only see what is in the histories (and I haven't really looked at the block log) and I honestly don't know what a troll means to you. I figure I'm not a troll because you posted this on my user page. But I might be very blunt in a criticism and I could even be wrong. I think I may know who some of the "trolls" are... or goblins or whatever, and I'm asking people to try to post their "editing conventions" or "definitions of a troll". Would you want to post a definition of a troll on the policy page or it's talk page, so we could have some idea what you are asking for? Or just say what sort of standards you think should be expected of editors? You were a very active sysop and your input would be greatly appreciated. Lumenos 09:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I can see how it can be difficult to produce an "unbiased" article without blocking, when some editors are online more than others. Lumenos 10:28, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
 * It's also hard to keep pushing your petty little agendas without blocking. Nx 10:37, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure who Nx is talking about but I'm gonna pretend its me cause I do enjoy are debates. However, since this is someone else's userpage I will reply on mine instead. Lumenos 11:27, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

Your thoughts on upgrade and logo
Hi - can you check out, contribute if you want - Admin Notes - best, MarkDilley
 * I don't know enough to contribute. Proxima Centauri 00:30, 20 December 2010 (PST)